John Grey of Heton and Patience Anderson. John and Patience were married on 23 January 1767 at Whittingham. They had four sons and four daughters.
"Patience Grey d. of John Grey of Middle Ord m. John Carr of Roseworth". This painting is signed J. H. Mole 1842. (John Henry Mole 1814-1886.)
John took over Old Heton farm and his grave can be found in Cornhill. " Erected In Memory of MARGARET GREY, daughter of JOHN and MARGARET GREY, who died at Old Heaton, Feb. 16th 1815?, aged 5 years. Also MARGARET GREY, who died May 21st ? 1837, aged 18 years and also the above JOHN GREY who died Aug. 16th 1850, aged 70 years." Cornhill-on-Tweed - St Helens churchyard | Section A - Row 8. Thanks to Coldstream and Local District Local History Society for permission to use this photo. It is possible that Margaret Grey's death on the headstone reads 1818 rather than 1815. This would fit with the baptism records on family search for Margaret Grey's birth: 2 November 1813 christening: 8 October 1815 at Cornhill.

John Grey of Heton was the brother of George Grey of Sandyhouse and Milfield. He purchased lands in Middle Ord in 1788 and died on 2nd October 1817 aged 71. His 8 children are the ancestors of Christian Margaret Grey who married George Grey of Milfield, the Galewood Greys and the New Zealand Greys.

John and Patience's table tomb can be seen at St Bartholomew's, Tweedmouth. No. 265 Section D. " In memory of J Grey Esq of Middle Ord who died on the 2nd Oct 1817 aged 71 years. Also Patience Grey his wife of the above who died 26 May 1812 aged 69 years. Also George Grey Esq. son of the above who died on 11th June 1852 aged 79 years. Also Isabella wife of the above George Grey Esq. who died on 30th November 1861 aged 59 years. I am the resurrection and the Life". George had no children despite marrying twice and gave Middle Ord to his nephew George.

More information on the children of John and Patience can be read below. William's family who emigrated to New Zealand can be see here.

Patience Grey and John Carr of Ford. The painting of Patience dated 1842 shows her in a widow's cap. Parish registers at Ford record that she had at least 10 children, although there may have been an earlier child called Mary who died.(1) Her husband John was said to have been a schoolmaster and bailiff for the Ford Estate for Lord John Hussey Delaval. (2) Patience can found on the 1841 census at New Greenlawalls Farm , Duddo, Independent aged about 70, with George Carr, 35, farmer and Edward Carr 30 , independent also living with Dorothy Forster 30, Independent. (Her sister Sarah married John Forster, this could be their daughter.) Greenlawalls also had a colliery. A Patience Carr can be found dying at Kyloe in 1846. Her husband John could be the John Carr whose death was reported at Ford on 12 April 1829 aged 78 in the Newcastle Courant of Saturday 25 April 1829. Four of her sons appear to have been involved with coal mining as well as farming. Notes (1) and (2) (See Purvis family history web site here. NB. Some of this information appears to be speculative.)

 

Patience's son George Carr can be found on the 1851 census describing himself as a timber & marine merchant, brewer and tile maker. He was also a farmer and according to a letter dated 1846 employed his Uncle William Grey who married Elizabeth Archbold at Barmoor Mill. " It is a farm of Mr Carr’s and Mr Grey manages it for him and William says they are comfortable." He also employed his cousins, William's two sons William and John. William " is with George Carr and has charge of the books, Cash and Dr. and has one hundred per annum. John has the management of Mr. G. Carr’s wood yard and receives a salary of fifty pounds per annum. William says the pay is small but it is owing to his being at first entirely ignorant of the trade." William and his family emigrated to New Zealand in 1848 and 1849. Henry Edward Carr became rector at the Vicarage in Millbrook, Bedfordshire and can be found there on the 1851 census.

"A plaque on the side of Scremerston Colliery. Erected AD MDCCCXL. (1840) by the Commissioners of Greenwich Hospital John Grey Esq. Receiver Messrs Johnson & Carrs Colliery Lessees, Thomas Forster Esq. Viewer and Engineer, Mr. W. Elliot, Tweedmouth Builder" John Grey of Dilston was receiver for the Greenwich Hospital estates from 1833 to 1863.

Thanks to Ian Castledine for permission to use his photograph. You can see more of the remains of the colliery on his web site here.

The Seghill Colliery was owned by Sir Francis Blake of Twizell Castle according to the 1832 poll book although it was run buy "John Carr and others". The Poll book records them as George, William, and Edward Henry Carr with John Grey of Milfield Hill.
According to the Poll book for Northumberland for 1841 John Carr of Roseworth, who may have been her eldest son was joint owner of the Scremerston Colliery, with Charles Carr of Seghill. Scremerston was two and half miles S.S.E. of Berwick and let by the Greenwich Hospital Estates in 1791. Records at the Durham Mining Museum show that the owner was Robert Johnson in the 1830s and Carr and Co. in the 1840s, Johnson and Carr in the 1860s. Patience's son John can be found on the 1851 and 1861 census at Roseworth described as a coal owner and JP.
Married in Scotland: Lord Hardwicke's Marriage Act in England in 1753 required consent to the marriage from the parents if a party to a marriage was not at least 21 years old. However in Scotland it was possible for boys to get married at 14 years and girls at 12 years without parental consent. Gretna Green was not the only place to go. Other Scottish Border villages used for these marriages were Coldstream Bridge, Lamberton Toll (in Lamberton, Berwickshire), Mordington and Paxton Toll. If Ann Purvis was 19, it appears that her parents may not have approved. Or it could be that like the Forsters the family was Roman Catholic.

The Purvis Family. The Grey family tree records that John and Patience's daughter Mary Grey married Geo. Purvis of New Etal in September 1803. This is confirmed by a notice in the Newcastle Courant of Saturday September 17, 1803: " Married on the sixth inst. Mr George Purves of New Etal, to Miss Gray, of Middle-Ord, nr. Wooler." Another marriage for him to a Hannah Robson can be found in 1834. A George Purvis , 55, can be found on the 1841 census at Harper ridge Farm, Norham parish, Cornhill, married to Hannah aged 50, which seems to indicate that Mary had died. It is not known if they had any children. George Purvis parents were Alexander Purvis and Jane. There are three children recorded as baptised in Ford to these parents, (on family search) including an Anne baptised on 27 February 1784.

A notice in the Newcastle Courant of Saturday July 30 1803 records: "Married -On Saturday last, in Scotland, Mr. Gray, of Middle Ord nr. Berwick on Tweed, to Miss Purvis of Etal. Neither of the first names are used but as it is known that George Grey was a widow when he married Isabella Morrison it seems possible that this is his first wife, and that the two Grey and Purvis siblings married each other.

A note on an old family tree records that Purvis was of New Etal and after of Kinaldy. The estate of Kinaldy, near St Andrews, Scotland has a Kinaldy House (completed 1833) – see Burkes Landed Gentry for the later history of this family.

 

 

 


Dissenters were political radicals. The Grey, Carr and Purvis families were baptised in the Dissenters Chapel in Ford. Protestant dissenters were strongly linked to English radicalism at this period. They were influenced by Locke and Newton who wanted to keep being christian but embrace reason and science as well. They were very keen on education. They were against the state, and fought for their beliefs to be seen as equal to the Anglican church. They also fought for tolerance for Roman Catholics and Jews because they believed all men were equal. They championed American independence and initially the French Revolution. The "Dissenting Interest," with their increasing absorption in purely secular matters such as politics and business, coalesced with other interests--landed, commercial, monied and laboring--to produce "a sort of cross-section of public opinion influencing party politics obliquely and indirectly." (Anthony Lincoln, Some Political and Social Ideas of English Dissent, 1763-1800, Cambridge, 1938, p.12)

Patience Grey Edward's daughter. Patience Grey can be found at school on the 1841 census aged 13 in the Ravensdowne district of Berwick. She married William Laidler on 5th February 1850. She is on the 1851 census for Fishwick, Scotland aged 23 , born in Ford, with her husband William 36, born in Wooler, and son James aged 2 months, born at Hutton, Berwick. Willam is a farmer of 526 Acres employing 28 Lab. Also in the household, Mary Young 21, Elizabeth Gray ,aged 9 born at Ford, William Young , 15, and Elizabeth Gray aged 60, born at Ford. In the 1861 census she is widowed and living in Etal village, with James her son aged 10, Patience her daughter aged 7, William aged 5, and Anne aged 3 all born in Scotland with one female servant. In 1871 she is living at Milfield village aged 40, annuitant, with William 15 and Anne 14, the children born in Fishwick, Hutton, with one female servant, while her son James, 20, works for his grandfather James Laidler at Fenton West Side farm near Wooler, as a farmer's boy, and daughter Patience is at school in the High Street Newport Pagnell. By 1881 at 48, she has moved to 27 Washington Terrace in Tynemouth, with James 26 who is a steamship manager, and Elizabeth 24 and Annie 20 and one general servant. In 1891 she is at the same address, aged 59 living on her own means, with her daughter Elizabeth P. aged 28 and Anne 24, both single. They have a boarder William Wilkes who is a clerk in holy orders and servant. She died in Tynemouth on 16 Feb 1901 at 48 Park Crescent North Shields leaving £147 9s 4d. Her daughter Elizabeth Patience was the administrator. In 1901 her 2 daughters are living at 48 Park Crescent, both single and living on their own means, by 1911 aged 45 and 40 with private means they have moved to 95 Park Crescent which has 7 rooms. Elizabeth Patience died there on 24 April 1927 leaving £1810 17s 5d to her sister Annie.

Edward Grey of Ford Hill. Although Edward Grey has no children shown on the Milfield family tree published in the History of Northumberland, he is shown on an older family tree in a scrapbook from Milfield as having two children: Patience and Edward of Ford Hill. An Edward Grey of Ford Hill can be found in a directory of Ford parish dated 1828 listed under farmers. Ford Hill also had a colliery owned by the Waterfords. His will is listed in Durham University records: " Edward GREY, farmer, of Ford hill in the county of Northumberland [Ford, Northumberland] Date of probate: 7 December 1829 will, 4 January 1828 (DPRI/1/1829/G15/1-2) registered copy of will, 4 January 1828 (DPRI/2/40 p255-257)"

See right.

Ford Hill farm was 700/800 acres and had a Ralph Chisholm farming it in 1841, 1861 and 1871 census, employing 25 labourers in 1871.

An Elizabeth Grey of independent means aged 35 can be found in Ford village on the 1841 census with a son called Edward aged 15. But she does not live at Ford Hill farm, which is occupied by Ralph Chisholm. An Edward Grey aged 25, born at Ford in about 1826, can be found on the 1851 census at Breakinside/Brickinside farm, Lowick, a farmer of ?349 acres employing 10 labs, with a wife called Margaret aged 23 and daughter called Jane Elisabeth aged 2. This farm is near Barmoor Mill, where William Grey farmed, and was shown on the 1841 poll book as being occupied by a John Grey. (See above right)

In the 1861 census there is an Edward Grey aged 35 at Ford village who is a retired farmer, with his mother Elizabeth aged 55 born in Kyloe, a daughter Elizabeth aged 19 who is a dressmaker, and a granddaughter Elizabeth I. Grey aged 3. This seems curious as 35 is young to retire, and a daughter working is unusual. This may not be the correct family. The same family can be found on the 1871 and 1881 census with Edward as a general labourer . More research will need to be done to see if the family had fallen on hard times or if this another Edward.


Sarah Grey is recorded as having a marriage bond to marry John Forster of Gatherick dated 8 March 1798, and dying on 8 February 1854 aged 78, and was buried at Kyloe according to the Milfield family tree. Sarah can be found on the 1841 census at Broomhouse Farm in Holy Island parish: John Forster, farmer 60, not born in the county, Sarah 60, and her daughter Sarah 35, both born in the county, and sons William 25, and James 25 not born there and an Elizabeth Dodds 80 Ind. from Scotland. At the same farm are a Dodds family, George Dodds, 45, Farmer, Margaret Dodds, 45, Margaret, 20, Peter, 11 , John, 9 and George, 4, all from Scotland, except the youngest. By the 1851 census Sarah was a widow, aged 75, born at Cornhill, living at Hunting Hall, in Lowick. Her two daughters live with her: Sarah aged 49 and Dorothy 44, both born in Cornhill.

There is a family tree for the Forsters on ancestry, who record that she had 11 children with John Forster. It includes photographs of three gravestone in Kyloe church yard of Mathew and Catherine Foster, John Foster of Broomhouse and John and Dorothy Simmons of Kentstone. “In memory of John Forster, who departed this life at Broomhouse on 23rd July 1843 Aged 68 years Also of Patience Mary Forster who deceased October 1844, Aged 44 Also Sarah Forster 8 Feb 1854 Aged 78 Also Sarah Catherine Forster 10 Feb. 1854 Aged 53 RIP” The information on this family some of whose descendants now live in America was submitted by Robert L. Kuyper of Tucson, Arizona, USA.

Right : Map showing the location of Broomhouse farm, in Holy Island parish. Not the farm of the same name in Chatton. Also the location of Hunting Hall where Sarah died and Kentstone where her mother in law's family the Simmons lived.

A branch of the Grey family had lived at Kyloe since the 1400s, two of the last being Bryan Grey and Marmaduke Grey who died unmarried in 1823. His sister Dorothy married a Charles Forster Bacon, whose descendants took the name of Bacon Grey when succeeding to the Kyloe estate in 1823. Marmaduke is in a poll book of 1747 at "Whatton", and was buried at Kyloe in 1823. Initial research has not shown a connection to the descendants of the Longhorsley Greys.


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"Sarah Grey at age 16, a picture that was at Kentstone, and is now in Canada"; submitted to the Kuyper Family Tree on ancestry by Robert L Kuyper in 29 Aug 2009.

Dated 4 Jan.y 1828 Will of Mr. Edward Grey 1829

Will of Edward Grey late of Ford Hill in the parish of Ford in the County of Northumberland Farmer Registered. This is the last Will and Testament of me Edward Grey of Ford Hill in the County of Northumberland Farmer I hereby direct all my just Debts and funeral and testamentary Expenses to be paid by my Executors hereafter named And after payment thereof I give and bequeath unto George Grey of Middle Ord in the County Palatine of Durham Farmer, John Grey of Old Heaton in the said County Farmer, William Grey of Earle in the County of Northumberland Farmer and John Turner of the Borough of Berwick upon Tweed, Merchant and the Survivors and Survivor of them and the Executors Administrator and Assigns of each survivor All my Goods Chattels, Capital, Stock in Trade money and Debts and all other my personal Estate and Effects of what nature or kind soever upon the trusts and for the interests and purposes hereinafter mentioned, that is to say, upon trust to permit and suffer my dear wife Elizabeth Grey to have use and enjoy all the Furniture Linen China and Provisions which shall be in my house at the time of my decease during such time and so long as she shall continue my widow and unmarried, and from and after her decease or marriage, and from and after the expiration of the lease of the Farm of which Farm now in possession, or after the expiration of the lease of any other farm of which I may have possession at the time of my decease upon trust to sell and convert into money the said Furniture, and also the Goods, Stock and other Chattels and Effects which may be upon the said Farm, and all other my personal Estate and Effects whatsoever, and in the meantime, and until such Sale or Sales shall be made I hereby direct the said George Grey John Grey, William Grey and John Turner and the Survivors and Survivor of them, and the Executors Administrators and Assigns of such Survivor from and out of the profits and proceeds of my said Farm and other my personal Estate and Effects to pay to my said Wife during such time as she shall continue my widow and unmarried the annual sum of Forty Pounds by even half yearly payments thereof to begin and be made at the expiration of six calendar months after my decease, and subject thereto, to appropriate the Remainder of the said Profits and Proceeds or of a competent part thereof for the maintenance and education of my children. And I do hereby declare the said George Grey, John Grey, William Grey and John Turner and the Survivors and survivor of them and the Executors Administrators and Assigns of such Survivors shall stand and be possessed of and interested in the monies to arise from such sale or sales as aforesaid upon trust to pay to my said wife the said annuity or annual sum of Forty Pounds upon the conditions and in manner above mentioned, and subject and without prejudice thereto In Trust to pay and divide the same and all the rest and residue of my personal Estate and Effects whatsoever and wheresoever as follows, that is to say, two third parts or shares thereof to my son Edward Grey, and one third part thereof to my daughter Patience Grey provided always that if my said Daughter shall die under the age of twenty one years without lawful issue, or shall marry under that age, without the consent of the Executor of this my Will then upon trust to pay the share of my Daughter so dying or marrying as aforesaid to my said son ; and if my said son shall die under the age of twenty one years without lawful issue, or shall marry under that age ,without such consent as aforesaid, then the share of my said son should he die or marry as aforesaid, ?At go my said Daughter And in case my said son and Daughter shall both die without leaving issue as aforesaid or marry as aforesaid then In trust to pay and divide the same equally between my Brother, the said John Grey and William Grey, their Executors Administrators or Assigns without any benefit of Survivors ?Life. And I do hereby declare my mind and will to be, that in the meantime and until the ?vesting and payment of the portions hereby, provided for my said Children respectively as aforesaid they the said George Grey John Grey William Grey and John Turner and the Survivors and Survivor of them and the Executors Administrators and Assigns of such Survivor shall pay and apply the Interest Dividends and Proceeds of the said respective portions for the maintenance and education of my said children as they may be entitled to the same And I do hereby nominate and appoint the said George Grey, John Grey, William Grey and John Turner Executors of this my will and Guardians of my said Children and I do hereby revoke and make void all former wills by me at any time heretofore made, and do declare this is my last Will and Testament In Witness whereof I the said Edward Grey the Testator have herewith set my hand and seal this fourth day of January one thousand eight hundred and twenty eight. Edw Grey Signed sealed published and declared by the said Edward Grey the Testator as and for his last Will and Testament in the presence of us who at his request and in the presence of each have hereunto subscribed our names as Witnesses James Black James Lumsden

This will was proved at Durham on the 7th day of December 1829 by George Grey of Middle Ord in the Chapelry of Tweedmouth in the County of Durham Farmer, John Grey of Old Heaton in the Chapelry of Cornhill in the same County Farmer, William Grey of Earle in the Parish of Doddington in the County of Northumberland Farmer and John Turner of the Borough of Berwick upon Tweed Merchant The Executors herein named to whom Admon. was granted. They having been first duly sworn by Comon. before the Revd. Joseph Barnes. Clerk, A Commissioner in this behalf lawfully appointed faithfully to execute and perform the same as usual. Effects sworn under £1,500.

Above: Edward Grey of Ford Hill's signature from his will. Reproduced by permission of Durham University Library.(DPRI/1/1829/G15/1-2) (DPRI/2/40 p255-257)

1852 Will of George Grey late of Middle Ord in the Parish of Norham in the County of Northumberland Esquire deceased (Regdr) This Will was proved at Durham on the 2nd day of October 1852 by George Grey of Old Heaton in the County of Northumberland Farmer and William Lowrey of Barmoor in the same County Land Agent two of the Executors therein named, to whom Administration was granted, they having been first duly sworn before the Reverend Joseph Barnes, Clerk a Commission in this behalf appointed faithfully to execute and perform the same as usual (Effects sworn Under £1,000) Marsden ?Pr Joseph Davison ?Dpty Testator died 11th July 1852

This is the last Will and Testament of me George Grey of Middle Ord in the Parish of Norham and County of Northumberland Esquire, Whereas by Indentures of Lease and Release dated the eighteenth and nineteenth days of September One Thousand Eight hundred and thirty three, the release being made Between me the said George Grey, therein described, of the first part ,Isabella Grey, Wife of me the said George Grey, therein also described of the second part. John Morrison, therein also described of the third part and Peter Morrison and William Morrison, therein also described of the fourth part. I the said George Grey do thereby Grant, Bargain, Sell, Alien, release and confirm unto the said Peter Morrison and William Morrison and their Heirs, All that Messuage, Tenement, or Farmhold situate at Middle Ord aforesaid (then in the County Palatine of Durham) theretofore called or distinguished by the name of the New Oustead, And all other Messuages, Lands, Tenements and heriditaments, whatsoever of the said George Grey within the Town, Township, Precincts or territories of Middle Ord then in my occupation, And also all other Messuages, Lands Tenements and heriditaments, if any, in Middle Ord aforesaid, comprised in certain Indentures of Lease and Release, bearing date twelfth and thirteenth days of May One thousand seven hundred and eight eight, therein recited, To hold the same with the Appurtenances, subject as therein is set forth, unto the said Peter Morrison and William Morrison their Heirs and Assigns for ever, To the uses therein declared, namely, To the use of the said George Grey for Life, and from and after my decease, to the uses of my said Wife Isabella Grey for Life, and from and after the decease of the survivor or longest or longest liver of the said George Grey and the said Isabella Grey, to the Use of such person or persons, for such Estate or Estates, Interest or Interests as I the said George Grey should at any time or times by any such Deed or Deeds, or in and by my last Will and Testament in Writing or any Codicil or Codicils to be by me the said George Grey signed, sealed and published in the presence of and attested by three or more credible Witnesses, limit direct or Appoint, to give or devise, and in default of and until such Appointment, To the use of me the said George Grey my Heirs and Assigns forever, And whereas in and by the said Indenture of Release, dated the nineteenth day of September One thousand eight hundred and thirty three, I said the said George Grey did thereby Covenant and declare that the said Isabella Grey, from and immediately after my decease, should during her Life, in case she should survive me, peaceably and quietly have and retain the Exclusive use and enjoyment of all and every Household. Furniture. Plate, Linen and China Articles and things which should be in or about the Messuage or Mansion House then occupied by me or which might happen to be in or about any other Messuage or Dwelling House in which in which I should reside at the time of my death, without Paying or allowing any compensation for the same, Now in Exercise of the said recited Power, and of every other Power hereunto enabling me, I do hereby appoint and I do also give and devise (from and after the decease of my Wife Isabella Grey) All my said Messuage or Tenement, Farmhold Lands and hereditaments described in the said recited Indenture of Release, dated the nineteenth day of September One thousand eight hundred and thirty three, And all other Lands and Tenements Hereditaments and Real Estate whatsoever to which I may be entitled at the time of my decease or over which I may have a disposing power unto my Nephew George Grey of Old Heaton Farmer, ( son of my late Brother John Grey of the same place Farmer) and his Heirs, And in the event of his dying in the lifetime of my said Wife Isabella Grey without leaving awful issue then surviving. then and in that case I give and devise the same unto my Nephew William Grey ( son of my said bother John Grey deceased) and his Heirs forever. I give and bequeath ( from and after the decease of my said Wife Isabella Grey) all my said Household Furniture. Plate. Linen and China, Articles and things in and about my Mansion House or Dwelling House unto my said Nephew George Grey and in the ?event of his dying in the lifetime of my said Wife without issue him surviving, Then and in that case I give and bequeath the same unto my said Nephew William Grey his Executors Administrators and Assigns, I release and discharge my said Nephew George Grey from all sums of money he may be due and owing to me at the time of my decease, and I direct that the securities, if any, for the same shall immediately after my decease be given up to my said Nephew and cancelled, and that the Legacy duty thereon ( if any) shall be paid out of my Personal Estate I give and bequeath the residue of my Personal Estate and Effects unto my said Wife Isabella Grey for Life, and from and after her decease, I gave the same unto my said Nephew George Grey, and in the event of his dying in the lifetime of my said Wife without issue, then I give the same to my said Nephew William Grey absolutely. I charge the residue of my Personal Estate and Effects with and to the payment of my just debts. Funeral and Testimony Expenses. I appoint my said Wife Isabella Grey. My said Nephew George Grey and William Lowrey of Barmoor Land Agent Executrix and Executors of this my Will hereby revoking all former Wills. In witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal the twenty third day of December One thousand Eight hundred and fifty one. Signed, sealed, and published by George Grey of Middle Ord Esquire, as his last Will and Testament, in the Presence of us. Present at the same time, who at his request, in is Presence, and in the Presence of each other, have attested and do subscribe the same as his last Will and Testament. Jonathon Rowland Solr. Robt. C. ?Fluker/Flaren James Lindsay

George Grey of Middle Ord's signature on his will written on 23 December 1851. (See below) Reproduced by permission of Durham University Library (DPRI/1/1852/G19/1-2) (DPRI/2/59 p222-223)

" 12 May 1823 allegation, with bond, by George Anderson Grey, of Tweedmouth, Northumberland, gentleman, widower for marriage to Isabella Morrison, of Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland, spinster, age 19 with consent of John Morrison (father), of Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland at Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland sworn before Joseph Barnes (surrogate)" DDR/EJ/MLA/1/1823/103

If George had any children with either Ann or Isabella they did not survive as when he died in 1852 at the age of 79 he left Middle Ord to his nephew George. He was buried at Tweedmouth with his second wife and his parents.